Thursday, October 11, 2007

When your child asks you the dreaded question...

There are a couple of reasons why mom blogs interest me , apart of course from the fact that they are part of the AB (agelessbonding) community and I am interested to know what goes on in their lives and how their lovely babies are growing up. The other reasons are that they make me go back to my life 25 years ago and I see how in so many ways all young mothers are the same and yet in so many ways how their problems are so different. Here they are - carefree youngsters not responsible to anyone except themselves; and then they become parents and with that everything changes. Every option is weighed carefully before using it on the child - nothing but the best will do and no effort or sacrifice is too much. The transformation is interesting to watch - how the focus of their lives shifts completely to the child and her/his needs. There is a constant doubt if they are doing the right thing by the child and if they are doing all that they can. Well every parent goes through this and yet somehow we manage to go wrong somewhere, though we don't mean to.. Anyway, Philip Larkin's sentiments notwithstanding, there is far more conscious parenting, even overparenting,these days. So I wondered if any of the momma bloggers would like to contribute to the discussion on
Parenting: reason vs religion that is going on here
here here and here
I know that most of the kids have already been introduced to the concept of God, either through films like Ganesha and Hanuman or through the pujas and idols in the houses. But have they ever asked you who God is and what has been your answer? Has this led you to introspect and take stock of your faith and belief so that you can give your child an honest answer? Do any of you believe in instilling a fear of God in your kids?

My son never asked me this question as a child. It is possible that his grandfather took care of it. In any case he went to a J.K foundation school and it is possible the question never bothered him as a child and perhaps he found his answer later from books. At least I am absolved of the responsibility for his belief or otherwise in God (;)). I grew up believing in God and still lean on this Superpower for strength in my weakest moments. So if he had asked me about God, it is possible I may have painted the picture of an all loving, all forgiving divinity - someone like a kind, strong, best friend which is who I think God is. In any case, I would not have instilled any fear about God and his punishing skills or any ideas about heaven and hell.

So if your child were to ask you about God, would you have a confident answer or would you tell her/him that she/he is too young for it and should perhaps wait and seek the answer when she/he is old enough? Would it bother you if your child were to grow up to be a non-believer?

Edited to add after 6 comments:

I guess I did not ask the right question in the post.

Let me give an example. I have a relative whose family are believers of a cult – a particular person who is considered to possess divinity and she is worshipped by her followers as Living God. Now the parents drag their child to these prayer meetings and she is forced to pray before a picture of this person. And if she questions ( she is 9 and very precocious) she is told that she would suffer from bad karma and the child is terrified to ask questions now.
Isn’t this a form of child abuse?
What gives us as parents the right to impose our beliefs on the child? Shouldn’t the child be allowed to work out her/ his equation with God when the time comes rather than preempting things by introducing her/him to our beliefs and faith so early in life? Isn’t it then that much more difficult to breakaway from all that you have always been told to be true?

19 comments:

S! said...

Not in the least, I'd be delighted. :)

Shefaly Yogendra said...

Thanks for linking to my post (which linked to all the other posts you have linked to, too). My post at La Vie Quotidienne is from a child's perspective, albeit a grown-up child. The others - as you are - are parents.

Mahendra at An Unquiet Mind caused the topic to become a meme, although the first post I had read about it was on Worth Reading.

Thanks.

rajeev said...

I have faced it with my 4 year old daughter and I answered as per my beliefs :). And my belief is very similar to yours - God being the Creator, and we being his image.
She has been satisfied for the time being, but i know its not the end of conversation.
As for mom's blogs, my wife was looking for a moms forum, and she found an indian one in www.momnall.com - but she said it didn't ahve much discussions yet as its probably new. let me know if you know of any good moms forum that get q/s discussions from an indian perspective.
thanks

noon said...

Hi Usha,
Interesting post. There have been a bunch of posts on this topic by several moms - including me
(http://wondernoon.blogspot.com/2007/09/few-days-back-was-festival-of-avani.html)
, Tharini, Moppet's mom, dotmom (also for the above commenter - Rajeev). Check it out if you have time.

It would not bother me if my child were a non-believer. It shocks me to say this considering how much of a religious person my mother is and how I was raised. But if religion would give my children some structure, I would not mind...a lot of my thoughts about this are in my post/comments. Tharini has a lovely post on this...

Itchingtowrite said...

hi usha- the pleasure is all mine to pass on the award to you. sush passed on to be requesting me to paste the badge on my blog and pass on to other bloggers.
in context i did apost n religion
http://itchingtowriteblogs.blogspot.com/2007/08/will-my-children-follow-religion.html
frankly it does not bother me whether they religiously pray. as long as they r good human beings. i go by your idea of god- friend/ confidante..going by that logic, i wud manifest krishna as the ideal god- neither v good or righteous nor v bad like an ordinary human being.. still closer human,...

Hip Grandma said...

I am waiting to read the responses of the young momma group.Personally I feel.... May be I shud reserve it for later.

Usha said...

I guess I did not ask the right question in the post.

Let me give an example. I have a relative who are believers of a cult – a particular person who is considered to possess divinity and she is worshipped by her followers as Living God. Now the parents drag the child to the prayer meetings and she is forced to pray before the picture of this deity. And if she questions ( she is 9 and very precocious) she is told that she will suffer from bad karma and the child is terrified to ask questions now.
Isn’t this a form of child abuse?
What gives us as parents the right to impose our beliefs on the child? Shouldn’t the child be allowed to work out her/ his equation with God when the time comes rather than preempting things by introducing her/him to our beliefs and faith so early in life? Isn't to breakaway from all that you have always been told to be true?

(I added this in the main post too just to clarify.)

rads said...

Usha - Though I technically belong to the younger generation moms that I see around - agewise - I probably belong to yours. This is because my kids have never asked me 'who is God' Never. Even the munchkin now. We are not hugely religious at home, but theyve listene dto stories and do their prayers whenever we ought to.

It's higher powers. Just like I did wheile I grew up.
I am not sure if am lagging behind in my raising or am not as sensitive as other moms are, and diligent too perhaps in what's happening in my children's heads. They seem to be doing well and Hope it comtinues.

Sorry, I digressed and didnt address the question you posed.

DotMom said...

I had done a post on this a little while ago-
http://thekarmacallingblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/faithless.html

Nisha said...

My son is three and a half. He has not asked this question yet. But I think I'd let him decide on his own whether to be religious or not. But I'd like him to believe in God. There is a huge difference between both. From my side, I don't scare him with God's punishments, but I try to picture a nicer and a helping God. He tells all shlokas and does namaskarams wherever necessary. But then he doesn't yet have an idea as to who He is. I'm ok either way the brat turns out, as long as he can draw emotional strength from inside. In the end, how each of us cope with difficulties is what is important than whether we are believers in God or not.

Metlin said...

Well, as an agnostic person leaning towards atheism, I shudder to think of the day when I have kids. My girlfriend is not religious, but she believes in a "higher power" of sorts. I'm a tambrahm, she was raised a baptist (but refused to baptize herself later on) and both sets of parents probably have their expectations. Combine this with the fact that they will be raised in a society that preaches god at every turn, I do not know how easy or hard it would be for me to imbibe the thought of atheism in them.

It certainly would be interesting. :)

The Rational Fool said...

metlin wrote:
... I do not know how easy or hard it would be for me to imbibe the thought of atheism in them.

I don't think you need to imbibe the thought of atheism in your children. Just thought will do :) As I have written in my post (thanks for linking to me, Usha), by focusing on atheism - denial of gods - there is a danger of making this into a single issue debate. It is not. Religion is not just about god. If it is, I'd not have considered communism or homophobia as a religion, which I do. I urge you all to read (or re-read) my earlier post on this subject, growing up, which is more about the rule of reason in parenting, than religion per se.

It is not surprising that many children are reported as not asking, who or what god is. The growing environment in India is suffused with the Hindu pantheon of gods (just as it with hell, here in the U.S.!), and the mythology that goes with it. Unlike the Abrahamic religions, god is not (at least in the form of Hinduism practiced by most) a monic, unseen creator, benevolent, but vindictive, too. The question of who is Krishna, Lakshmi, or even Ardhanareeswar, does not naturally arise in a child's mind, as s/he is right there in front of you in all the anthropomorphic glory, albeit in picture, just as greatgrandpa is.

It's not much comfort, though, to visualize the child growing into a husband, forcing selective female abortion on his wife.

Metlin said...

I don't think you need to imbibe the thought of atheism in your children. Just thought will do :)

Indeed - my point was merely that while education, society and family doubtless contribute their parts in talking about god, there should be an element that contributes to thinking otherwise.

While I'd be disappointed if my kids turned to religion, I doubt if I'd feel the same way if they turned to faith (at least to a lesser degree).

Hey, it takes all kinds.

Deeps said...

The post really made me think. Not that I haven't thought about it before. As a person who has grown up in a not-so-traditional family, but was married into one, I myself am sometimes in doubt about the whole religions and traditions rigmarole.

I personally believe in a super-power which encompasses and protects all. Thats my God. But in contrast, I do pooja to various idols just to preserve the cultural aspect. So in my case I'll certainly try to convey my view to my child, what I'm not sure about is the cultural aspect. What I mean is that I don't really want to enforce the rituals on the child, but am worried a bit about losing the cultural "activities" that we do in various festivals. Stirking a balance will require lots of careful evaluation, I guess.

What I'm sure I'll not do is threaten the child with "dire consequences" if she/he does not follow some of the minute religional aspects. Or prevent my child from asking questions. I myself have asked a lot of questions and I want my child to come up with her/his own beliefs. I would never do that to a child considering I myself have been subjected to certain threats.

One example is the bheemana amavasye/mangala gauri vratha that madhwa brahmins follow. If it had been left completely to me, I would not have followed it. But I was told (by no one else other than my MIL) that some harm would come to my hubby (her own son) if I don't do it. Though I personally know that the pooja won't really increase my hubby's lifespan, I do it because I don't really want the risk that something may happen to him. I may sound like an illiterate, but thats what emotional blackmail does to you. I have decided that I'd never impose such a "pooja" on my daughter/daughter-in-law ever. And this is the reason, I'll never force my religion on my child.

Usha said...

Souvik:I kind of knew this...:)

Shefaly:The purpose was to point to the discussions in all your sites. :

Rajeev: here's a mom's forum I visit -
http://indianmommies.blogspot.com/
Most of the links on my blog and those in madmomma's are those of momma bloggers.

Noon: Thank you for the interesting links - I visited them all and it gave me a fair idea.

ITW: Yes, I read the post. It is interesting that in many of the posts I read, the choice is on the variety of religion to introduce the child to and how. There does not seem to be any doubt on whether.

Padma: look forward to your views.

Rads:Not just you - I notice that most blogs I visited advocate the same. A more liberal version of religion practised by their parents.Less rituals, open attitude to other schools of thought and belief in a benign God.

Dotmom: Checked the post. I envy you for the environment you had while growing up. No baggages to shed; easier to break free.:)

Nisha:Yes I agree about the difference - I am not religious but I believe in God. Like I said I guess I am not strong enough to say I do not need God. Or perhaps it has been hardwired into my thinking by the environment in which i grew up.

Metlin: It certainly would be - keep us posted! :)

The RF:"It's not much comfort, though, to visualize the child growing into a husband, forcing selective female abortion on his wife."
I think I missed the connection!

Deeps: I understand what you are saying.
But if you are going along with some of the rituals on the outer chance it might be otherwise harm your husband, don't you think the same will apply to your son too?
So how do you say that it is ok with you if your D_I_L didn't believe in these?

rajeev said...

Thank you. This would be useful

choxbox said...

i will get back to you - n3 is 7 now and of course i have faced questions like these. but right now just wanted to say - KFI school?! WOW. lucky him!

Mahadevan said...

I think, in the initial stages, a child needs a little bit of hand-holding. It starts with a tri-cycle and then switches over to a bicycle. At the same time, a parent should not totally impose his/her entire beliefs and convictions upon the child.

I think, it was Nietzche who said, ' if there is no God, there is need to invent one'. The idea of Godhead is an invisible regulator. Thousands exploit the name of God and make merry. At the same time, millions refrain from doing evil acts, out of fear of God.

Many of our practices, some of them we do even out of conviction, would not stand the test of Reason, if we go deep into spirituality and philosophy. Some of Sankara's Bashyas ( unfortunately I do not have the facility to read them in original), are as sharp as that of the ideas of Bertrant Russell, A.J.Ayer or Witzgenstein.

Deeps said...

I pray daily for the health of my family, so I don't need a special ritual on a particular day to do it. But when someone blatantly mentions that "some harm may come to a person you love", then pschycologically you tend to go along with whatever the person says.

I'll certainly not tell my daughter/DIL such a thing. As for my son (if I have one), I can always pray for him myself :).